Been respraying the Daimler Soveriegn over the last few weeks / months outside on the drive. Have posted a few daft questions over the same period because I've never sprayed a whole car before.
As I am fitting a vinyl roof to it and I also wanted to refresh some of the engine ancillaries I went to my local Motor Facors who seem to be able to supply all my need's (altho I bought the paint from a Birmignham outlet via the 'net' just because they where £100 cheaper.) I asked for Satin Black which was compatible with cellulose because the car has 2k Etch Primer, with Cellulose primer atop and on the roof I didn't want to 'waste' metalic top coat to cover it with vinyl. So I walked away with 1l of Urki 6301 Cellulose Satin Black which to be honest went on a dream, it 'flooded' well and is a cracking finish, was just going to flat it prior to putting glue on.
The information given to me was you can only have it in Urki and we have to put flatting agent in it to make it Satin, went completely over my head and I wasn't sure the guy giving it knew what it was he was selling me. The guy mixing it never came to the counter, but the tin came with his assurance.
Question 1 is, So what is URKI 6301 Cellulose paint, which is what is hand written on the tin along with I am guessing the mix formula.
The JEJ Mineral Blue top coat came in a suppliers tin, JEJ being the jaguar paint code, the tin being 2.5l and that was the max information supplied. I have mixed it 50/50 with thinners and given it a couple of coats albeit the second one straight after the first dried. it's not terrifically gloss and I don't really know what I was expecting of the top coat,I was going to if I have enough left spray a 20/80 paint/thinners mix over the top hopefully to add shine, but have done a bit of research!
do I skip the thin coat and just flat it all with 1500/1600 paper wet and then G3 the life out of it, any views on a machine or is hand best, are there any other product equivalent to G3, I thought T-Cut was the solution, open to any replies, suggestions etc, the more cutting the better!
Urki 6301 Cellulose and other silly questions
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m.thaddeus
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Re: Urki 6301 Cellulose and other silly questions
Hello There
Urki 6301 is a synthetic enamel paint recommended for painting machinery ~ Just got that from a Google search!
So far as the gloss coat ( or Pisscoat ~ as my old painter Geof would always say) That is down to if you think you can get a gun finish or not. If you are going to have to flat and polish it anyway, then dont bother. Though you might argue that a thin coat would act as a 'leveller' and take some of the orange peel out of your paint -thus making flatting easier and ultimately keeping more paint on the panel. The downside is that by re-softening the paint it might go a bit thin on some edges
Back in the 30's some painters would wet-flat the panels and then give them a coat of pure thinners to give them a gloss. But I certainly wouldn't go that far.
Urki 6301 is a synthetic enamel paint recommended for painting machinery ~ Just got that from a Google search!
So far as the gloss coat ( or Pisscoat ~ as my old painter Geof would always say) That is down to if you think you can get a gun finish or not. If you are going to have to flat and polish it anyway, then dont bother. Though you might argue that a thin coat would act as a 'leveller' and take some of the orange peel out of your paint -thus making flatting easier and ultimately keeping more paint on the panel. The downside is that by re-softening the paint it might go a bit thin on some edges
Back in the 30's some painters would wet-flat the panels and then give them a coat of pure thinners to give them a gloss. But I certainly wouldn't go that far.
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m.thaddeus
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Re: Urki 6301 Cellulose and other silly questions
Hello Again
So far as what to use for the polishing stage. Because I tend to do a lot of small paint jobs, I buy Halfords compound which comes in tubes for about £4. It is a good medium grade -From here I finish with '3M Finesse It' ~ This can easily be buffed to a full gloss without a wax.
As you are using Celly, the flatting should be fairly easy, and I would be inclined to do the job by hand. lots of soapy ( WARM) water, which you must change regularly. Listen out for a zip, zip sound which might mean a bit of grit on the panel. If so rinse rinse rinse. Irrigate the panels as you work to keep them clear of any airborne crap.
1500 is the grade to go for. Don't but it from Halford and dont buy a plastic backed wet and dry paper. The reason for this is that the edges tend to shed the abrasives and will leave your flatting as gritty as a channel 4 drama.
A hand held lead lamp held horizontally will help to see how the job is progressing.
Use a mutton cloth or buy cheap J-cloths ( Sainsburys 40p for 10)
Another very good product is 'Muck Off' miracle shine polish, this so good that it can be used directly after the compounding. It is very mildly abrasive, so you cant use it every wax, or it will remove your paint.
Have fun. Martin
So far as what to use for the polishing stage. Because I tend to do a lot of small paint jobs, I buy Halfords compound which comes in tubes for about £4. It is a good medium grade -From here I finish with '3M Finesse It' ~ This can easily be buffed to a full gloss without a wax.
As you are using Celly, the flatting should be fairly easy, and I would be inclined to do the job by hand. lots of soapy ( WARM) water, which you must change regularly. Listen out for a zip, zip sound which might mean a bit of grit on the panel. If so rinse rinse rinse. Irrigate the panels as you work to keep them clear of any airborne crap.
1500 is the grade to go for. Don't but it from Halford and dont buy a plastic backed wet and dry paper. The reason for this is that the edges tend to shed the abrasives and will leave your flatting as gritty as a channel 4 drama.
A hand held lead lamp held horizontally will help to see how the job is progressing.
Use a mutton cloth or buy cheap J-cloths ( Sainsburys 40p for 10)
Another very good product is 'Muck Off' miracle shine polish, this so good that it can be used directly after the compounding. It is very mildly abrasive, so you cant use it every wax, or it will remove your paint.
Have fun. Martin