cellulose Paint

[m.thaddeus]

Hello Again

The Subject of painting at home is something that Sam and I have been talking about recently. In fact I have just submitted a pair of article for publication in the October issue ( was to be Sept, but Sam just had too much fab stuff to fit it )
We are starting off with a look at Aerosol paints as these have come to the fore in the industry and are so useful for small to medium sized jobs.
We will go on to cover resprays and try to deal with the realities of painting in less than ideal situations. And we will go through the options for paint formulations etc. So get your paint queries in soon.

See we do listen.

Regards Martin.

[gentil79]

Hi Guys, thank you very much for all your info.
In regards to mixing the paint, it seems that it is as easy as before the law change to get any colour you want in cellulose. I got the paint foe my car through a Buckinghamshire based supplier that charged me £50 for a 5l tin of Alpine white.
I know for a fact that in USA there are a few spray booths for hire, where you just pay a hourly fee and paint your car... a bit like Pitstop in London.
If you guys know anyone in the Surrey area that can "lend" a spray booth, please let me know. I also considered joining Southgate college for a car restoration course, but the hours are incompatible with my work.
The reason why I want to paint in cellulose, is financial because i can't afford to pay anyone else to do the paint job. Also, i feel more confortable painting in cellulose ( i haven't used anything else apart fro spray cans).

[gentil79]

Hello Again

The Subject of painting at home is something that Sam and I have been talking about recently. In fact I have just submitted a pair of article for publication in the October issue ( was to be Sept, but Sam just had too much fab stuff to fit it )
We are starting off with a look at Aerosol paints as these have come to the fore in the industry and are so useful for small to medium sized jobs.
We will go on to cover resprays and try to deal with the realities of painting in less than ideal situations. And we will go through the options for paint formulations etc. So get your paint queries in soon.

See we do listen.

Regards Martin.

Hi Martin,

That's great that you guy's are publishing articles about paint. I don't remember seeing any " full respray at home" articles on PC, but to be honest i can't remember every issue i have been reading since 2000... hopefully that will be covered soon. Afterall, not everything needs to be done by a pro.

if you guys could cover the pro's and cons of every single paint type, preparation, what to do when things go wrong, compatibility between different paint types, what paint types were used by manufactures and until when, how to keep new paint in good shape for teh next few years, etc.

regards, Gentil

[gentil79]

[quote="JPB"]It's hard enough to get the buggers to turn up on campus most of the time, bless their little asbestos-lined socks, but it's always worth asking your local authority for details of motor vehicle engineering training provision locally to you, as many sites have body & paint facilities that are far less regularly in use than the mechanical bays, which makes sense really as painting a stolen moped can be done in their own back gardens, but to grind chassis numbers off their older brothers' Subarus , they like the cover afforded by the mechanical and welding bays.
These facilities often rely upon members of the public bringing stuff in to have work done, it usually only costs a small contribution if at all. [/quote

Hi There, where is that? i don't have any of those facilities nearby where I live, so is there any chance for a member of the public to go there and use, with a small contribution for the institution?

[JPB]

You have a PM.

[pryantcc]

Wasn't there an article a good while back where several panels were painted with different paints to see if any of them reacted with eachother? There was to be a follow-up at some stage, but I never saw it?!

[Grumpy Northener]

I for one am a big advocate of the DIY paint job on cars - only last week I repaired the anonymous car park dings on the tailgate and rear wheelarch of our modern Astra prior to it's sale - 3 hours of my time - £30 of halfords aerosols / sundries - professional quality repair - perfect colour match and it's pearlescent metallic with a clear lacquer - I would have been £200 - £300 lighter and the car gone for a few days had I sent it to a professional bodyshop.

I hope to inspire any one out there who is contemplating undertaking a DIY paint job on their classic - Last year through the months of Feb, March & April - when the weather was not at it's kindest - I undertook to do the bodywork & paint on a friend's Jowett Jupiter - we were tight on time, the dusty cold workshop was far from ideal, the cellulose paint that came with the car when he bought it was 35 years old !, we all had day jobs, and the car had to be ready for the end of May to attend the Jowett Centenary Rally, so whilst the rest of the team battled on to complete the oily bits I got on with the bodywork - but has already stated every rule in the book was being pushed to beyond the limits. I applied plenty of paint and left it for a month before flatting and polishing - we were very humbled to pick up 2 club awards at the Jowett rally. Forward several months later and we were overwhelmed to win Classic Car of the Year 2010 !!!! at the NEC Classic car show - DIY paint is very achievable - preparation & patience are the key ingredients -
I could not get the images to download so I have linked them below from the Jowett Car Club website. Good luck with the paint !!

http://jowett.net/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=12680
http://jowett.net/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=16529
http://jowett.net/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=16532

[m.thaddeus]

Well done Mr.grumpy.

This is the stuff! Perhaps you could help with our forthcoming articles. Do you have before after and during pics? Doesn't get more practical than this.

Martin

[Grumpy Northener]

Martin - We have a whole album full plus a club forum that recorded each section of work - I am more than pleased to contribute if it helps other classic / vintage owners.

Regards Chris

[gentil79]

Hi Guys

I'm starting to have the first few problems with celly primer. I've primed the engine bay with U-pol p88 over an etch primer used buy the guy who sanblasted the car. before it was primed by myself, the bay was degreased with detergent and then rinsed with a steam machine. it was blown with a air nozzle and then left to dry for a couple of weeks. it was then blown and primed... for two months it was fine, but now a a few extremelly thin cracks started to appear... i'm not sure if this was a reaction with Bilthamber's rust converter or not... i'm just pissed off.
I decided to spray the interior of the car and the boot with celly, because these areas will be fully trimmed and therefore not visible or exposed to the elements. I am still very reluctant about the top coat for the outside and engine bay... i'm now leaning towards 2 pack acrylic which is sold by Jawel on Ebay. But I guess i have to use 2 pack primer for it? i still have loads on u-pol p88 left over... Jawel told me that their 2k acrylic is fine over P88...
also, many panels are in good condition so they'll just be keyed and then sprayed.
the car will be almost a daily driver, and my friend will be moving to a house with no garage in september