Swapping to a heritage shell in the case of an MGB is one thing using another part stripped car and swapping the identity is Hmmm......
Some of the cars on Car SOS looked good on the surface but once the trim etc was removed then it was a case of OMG!! So it was cut out the rot and replace with new metal as required. With the Cossie there are part panels like the rear wheel arches available but for the others repair panels had to be fabricated. This process took hours. The Fiat had to have the front apron reconstructed plus the front boot floor and hood well. Around 150 hours for one car that had been 'hyperbodged' at some time in it's history. Taking the trim off the 'A' post to discover the trim was attached to...err....very little was a shock and cutting out the rot in the rear inner arches to have virtually all the remaining arch that was silver paper and underseal fall on the floor was a sight to behold!! The 'B' posts were held in place by the trim screwed to them. If all that was shown I'm afraid it would make boring TV to most. I won't say which car it was. Just wait and see. What I can say is that if this vehicle had been in an accident, even fairly minor, it would probably have caused serious injuries or a fatality to the occupants, certainly with a side impact. You would have faired better if you had been sitting in a paper bag!!
These body repairs have now made the structural integrity of the cars in the series possibly better than new as all the welds are continuos and the metal thicker than originally used.
The amount of MiG wire, gas and steel sheet used was breathtaking on nearly all the cars. No glass fibre and filler bodges it was all good metal.
BTW, Fuzz is a bloody good welder.
None of the breakdowns, failure to start parts that broke etc weren't 'staged' for the camera they happened for real.
Phil
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Phil P wrote:These body repairs have now made the structural integrity of the cars in the series possibly better than new as all the welds are continuos and the metal thicker than originally used.
If the car has patches of thicker steel and spot-welded seams are now continuous then it certainly won't be "better" in the event of a collision since its deformation would be random and continuous welds must only be used where originally was no weld at all or where the factory made a continuous weld, whole panels and part panels at their joins with original seams must be attached as original, I'd be very surprised if a man of Fuzz's wealth of knowledge and experience didn't refer to the Thatcham methods book applicable the car he was working on.
J
"Home is where you park it", so the saying goes. That may yet come true..
"Home is where you park it", so the saying goes. That may yet come true..
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I love that phrasePhil P wrote:one car that had been 'hyperbodged' at some time in it's history
I would say that it's not surprising as given the age of our cars and number of previous owners there are guaranteed to be some bodges on all of them. I have bought cars where the sills and B posts (and gutters, rear floor, etc) were made of plastic and painted over so I know what a pain it can be. Some people are very skilled when shaping filler! Should we assume that as you haven't revealed which car that is that it is still to come?Fuzz is a saint doing all these for a fixed budget. I hope that he manages to get some business out of it.
Assuming more was filmed than was put on tv, would it be possible to see some "behind the scenes" pics / videos to show how bad these cars really were?
Understeer: when you hit the wall with the front of the car.
Oversteer: when you hit the wall with the back of the car.
Horsepower: how fast you hit the wall.
Torque: how far you take the wall with you.
Oversteer: when you hit the wall with the back of the car.
Horsepower: how fast you hit the wall.
Torque: how far you take the wall with you.
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Sounds like a P6 to mePhil P wrote:Taking the trim off the 'A' post to discover the trim was attached to...err....very little was a shock and cutting out the rot in the rear inner arches to have virtually all the remaining arch that was silver paper and underseal fall on the floor was a sight to behold!! The 'B' posts were held in place by the trim screwed to them. If all that was shown I'm afraid it would make boring TV to most. I won't say which car it was. Just wait and see.
Phil
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Woohoo! thanks for youtube,just watched Fiat Fiasco,although I find it skims over what Fuzz has done. Understandably,the show is on for 45 mins.
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Hi JPB.
On the car I am referring to the restoration will be considerably better than the mild steel lace and silver foil that was there before. If you introduce new metal to a 40 plus year old structure it will not deform as the original design because of the stresses that have been put into the old metal. Thicker material? 18swg instead of 20swg. The corroded metal on the vehicle in question was cut back well past where any signs of corrosion could be seen and then new sheet metal formed to the original shape welded in. The sills and floor were crumbling rust hidden in silver foil and underseal. Because of the form of the sections these could not be recreated in one piece as in the original design but had to be produced from various folded pieces continuosly welded together to recreate the original section. The 'B' post was badly corroded at it's base and not attached fully to the sill so that had to be strengthened and then reattached to the newly formed section. All this reconstruction took over 150 hours! I'm sorry to say that this would have proved a daunting project to anyone with limited facilities. It caused a few headaches to a fully equiped body shop with very experienced staff! Hopefully this car will last another 40 years plus.
Spot welding was not an option without cutting the shell into pieces to gain access so as to reprodroduce the original assembly process. MOT examiners do not like spot or tack welded repairs as the integrity of the weld cannot be guaranteed.
I nearly forgot the engine overhaul, the gearbox rebuild and the brakes being fully overhauled including new pipes and hoses etc and the seats retrimmed, new carpets and the electrics sorted and then there was the stunning paint job.
Watch the programme and unless it has been edited out you will see just how bad this car was.
Phil
On the car I am referring to the restoration will be considerably better than the mild steel lace and silver foil that was there before. If you introduce new metal to a 40 plus year old structure it will not deform as the original design because of the stresses that have been put into the old metal. Thicker material? 18swg instead of 20swg. The corroded metal on the vehicle in question was cut back well past where any signs of corrosion could be seen and then new sheet metal formed to the original shape welded in. The sills and floor were crumbling rust hidden in silver foil and underseal. Because of the form of the sections these could not be recreated in one piece as in the original design but had to be produced from various folded pieces continuosly welded together to recreate the original section. The 'B' post was badly corroded at it's base and not attached fully to the sill so that had to be strengthened and then reattached to the newly formed section. All this reconstruction took over 150 hours! I'm sorry to say that this would have proved a daunting project to anyone with limited facilities. It caused a few headaches to a fully equiped body shop with very experienced staff! Hopefully this car will last another 40 years plus.
Spot welding was not an option without cutting the shell into pieces to gain access so as to reprodroduce the original assembly process. MOT examiners do not like spot or tack welded repairs as the integrity of the weld cannot be guaranteed.
I nearly forgot the engine overhaul, the gearbox rebuild and the brakes being fully overhauled including new pipes and hoses etc and the seats retrimmed, new carpets and the electrics sorted and then there was the stunning paint job.
Watch the programme and unless it has been edited out you will see just how bad this car was.
Phil
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Hi Rovermike.
Er.... whats a P6? I've heard of a P38 I think that was the twin engined body filler built by Lockheed in WW2, a P45 and a P60, but a P6... Hmmm..... you've got me there! Was it that car that had all the bolt on panels ....oh no that was the Model T wasn't it? Dunno I give in.
Phil
Er.... whats a P6? I've heard of a P38 I think that was the twin engined body filler built by Lockheed in WW2, a P45 and a P60, but a P6... Hmmm..... you've got me there! Was it that car that had all the bolt on panels ....oh no that was the Model T wasn't it? Dunno I give in.
Phil
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Graveyard?!?! Come on Fuzz, get another bottle of gas and get them done!
Understeer: when you hit the wall with the front of the car.
Oversteer: when you hit the wall with the back of the car.
Horsepower: how fast you hit the wall.
Torque: how far you take the wall with you.
Oversteer: when you hit the wall with the back of the car.
Horsepower: how fast you hit the wall.
Torque: how far you take the wall with you.
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There's so many goodies in there where do you start. I fancy the Standard 10 though that one looks like an 8 with a 10 badge.I learned to drive and passed my test in one that was my Dads. I made a twin carb manifold for it and fitted a straight through exhaust. It would do 75MPH instead of 68MPH. Happy days.
Phil
Phil
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btw, they are definitely getting better as the series progresses. That Anglia looks (and sounds) amazing. It would appear all the classic car programs revolve around the NEC show at the moment with Wheeler Dealers getting bits for their escort and now SOS getting Anglia bits. Seeing as Mike and Fuzz should have been on stage where did the time come from for parts blagging?!?!
Understeer: when you hit the wall with the front of the car.
Oversteer: when you hit the wall with the back of the car.
Horsepower: how fast you hit the wall.
Torque: how far you take the wall with you.
Oversteer: when you hit the wall with the back of the car.
Horsepower: how fast you hit the wall.
Torque: how far you take the wall with you.