Oklahoma high winds

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Willy Eckerslyke
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Re: Oklahoma high winds

#11 Post by Willy Eckerslyke »

pryantcc wrote:
alabbasi wrote: Yep, and for the most part, I'm very happy with it.
Do you live in a tornado zone in one of those wooden houses? If so, don't you mind that it might get blown away?
For what value of 'might'?
Tornado Alley covers a very big area. The likelyhood of any particular house getting blown away is far lower than all the usual threats that we take for ignore every day. Don't you mind that you might be killed by a vehicle whenever you travel anywhere? That's more likely to happen than Al's house getting blown away by a tornado.
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Re: Oklahoma high winds

#12 Post by alabbasi »

pryantcc wrote:I agree completely, but if I were to choose the Oklahoma lifestyle, I think I'd choose not to have my house obliterated any time a tornado sweeps by. I think I'd build a solid one. That is my point.
I think that you're missing the point. The houses are built to withstand high winds, but not the debris that an E5 tornado can carry. Here's another video of a tornado that went through Dallas last year, picking up 53ft lorry trailers and tossing them in the air. It may give you some perspective at the force of these tornadoes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WABqwKjQM_c

So...How do you think that your house can hold up against a 53ft trailer hitting it at 120mph?
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#13 Post by TerryG »

It looks like their mayor thinks some extra protection would be a good idea: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22630185
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#14 Post by alabbasi »

TerryG wrote:It looks like their mayor thinks some extra protection would be a good idea: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22630185
Sadly this is politics. While purpose built underground shelters are a good precaution, the chances of a tornado hitting newly built houses in an area are going to be too slim to justify the cost. The smarter thing would be to build public shelters. But in most cases, going to a bathroom with no exterior walls, or the closet under the stairs is usually pretty safe.
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#15 Post by rich. »

going off at a slight tangent how much would it cost to retrofit concrete bunker/cellars? i see an opportunity...
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Re: Oklahoma high winds

#16 Post by pryantcc »

pryantcc wrote:I agree completely, but if I were to choose the Oklahoma lifestyle, I think I'd choose not to have my house obliterated any time a tornado sweeps by. I think I'd build a solid one. That is my point.
alabbasi wrote:I think that you're missing the point. The houses are built to withstand high winds, but not the debris that an E5 tornado can carry. Here's another video of a tornado that went through Dallas last year, picking up 53ft lorry trailers and tossing them in the air. It may give you some perspective at the force of these tornadoes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WABqwKjQM_c

So...How do you think that your house can hold up against a 53ft trailer hitting it at 120mph?
Thanks alabbasi, I'm very interested to hear your views as someone who lives in the region.

My (concrete block walls, tiled roof on a timber frame) house wouldn't withstand your 120mph trailer. I doubt my roof would withstand 120mph winds without any debris, but I don't get flying trucks around where I live, nor 120mph winds. There's not a lot you can to about that very extreme missile case without going to ridiculous expense. I expect that flying cars, street furniture, garden stuff and house parts are more common. A steel reinforced concrete structure would withstand a lot of that. You'd have to incorporate some kind of roof into it in order to save the roof. You could build the shell of a house like that in a couple of weeks. Windows would be destroyed if a tornado arrived, but the house would still be standing at least, and the occupants intact.

If you were concerned about appearance, you could attach any kind of decorative exterior you like although you'd probably only be adding to the tornado debris in the event that one hits the house.

Is there any value attached to having a concrete building? Would people pay more for a concrete house than a wooden one?
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#17 Post by Richard Moss »

pryantcc wrote: I'm not questioning why the people live there, but why they build such flimsy houses in a place known as Tornado Alley
Agreed - even in Bangladesh (which has a bit less money than the USA) they know to build communal storm shelters out of concrete. You can bet that they would build all their hosuses the same way if they could afford it.
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#18 Post by alabbasi »

I think that the cost of building a house this way would leave most potential home owners who live there unable to afford it. For it to be effective and not just give you a false sense of security, it will need to have steel doors and no windows. I certainly would not want it as I can't imagine what it would cost to maintain a house like this. Furthermore, the ground moves quite a lot here in North Texas so foundation problems are very common, so a house has to flex a little with these movements. If it's made from concrete, I expect that you will see cracks in the walls pretty quickly, which will be very expensive to repair.

I guess that the point that I'm trying to make is that you can spend a pile of money mitigating the risk of being hit by a Tornado by building an ugly fortress that no one can afford to buy or maintain, and then never get hit by a Tornado. The smarter thing to do would be to build a safe room within the house (usually a bathroom or a room under the stairs). This has proven to save lives, costs considerably less and does not change the aesthetics of the house or your quality of life.

Many homes in Tornado prone areas already have this, but depending on the price, or location of the house,it may not.

We also need to remember that in America, if you have a low income, you're still encouraged to buy a house as the government is not going to give you one for free. So there's a market for low cost housing that allows people with low incomes to get on the property ladder....as there should be.

I'm not sure about the Bangladesh part, for me that would be a good example of how a concrete building can give you a false sense of security.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/world ... .html?_r=0
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#19 Post by rich. »

bang goes my idea for building storm shelters...
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#20 Post by alabbasi »

Rich

The housing market is now making a recovery. If you're good at what you do and like to work hard. Come on over!
There's even a nice work truck in the local classifieds that's ready for you to pick up :)

http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/3813023892.html
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