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Weird booming thrum noise

#1 Post by Diesel Fionn »

Hi folks, I just bought a 2000 reg Subaru Legacy Estate with the non-turbo 2 litre engine and 4wd. Theres 133k miles on it and its a manual gearbox.
At certain engine speeds there is a strange vibration which sounds like the booming you get when you drive with the windows open. It goes away once you speed up or slow down beneath a certain rev range.
I suspect it may be an out of balance propshaft but i've not had much experience wth this kind of problem. Ive had two other subarus with the same engine and never had this problem before.
Any ideas. :?
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#2 Post by Laird_Scooby »

Does this noise happen in every gear at the same engine speed or is it purely road speed related?

If it's road speed related, check your tyres. A friend had this on her Astra some years back and when she went to the tyre place to get it checked, the tyre was "S" shaped when viewed from above! Could also be a wheel damage/balance problem from pot-holes.

If it's engine speed related, check your exhaust. It may have a small hole you didn't see when you inspected it or a partially internally collapsed silencer.

Also something i've just remembered from when i had an old "F" reg/1989 Subaru 4WD estate, if i had used the 4WD and not disengaged it properly, it created a strange vibration and humming noise - not quite like the buffeting from windows being open but similar enough to make me wonder.

Also on engine speed related, is all the intake trunking secure/intact?

Not sure if any of those ideas are any help but worth checking as shouldn't cost anything to check. Also might point youin the direction of the real fault if it isn't one of those.

Hope you get it sorted anyway!
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#3 Post by Fatbloke »

Could it also be a wheel bearing if road speed related?
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Also something i've just remembered from when i had an old "F" reg/1989 Subaru 4WD estate, if i had used the 4WD and not disengaged it properly, it created a strange vibration and humming noise - not quite like the buffeting from windows being open but similar enough to make me wonder.
Animals, all of them! :lol: When I was working for IM in the '80s, the number of workshops who used to ask for one of us to go out to deal with that very thing was massive. To stop it doing that or, in severe cases to allow 4wd to be disengaged, we first had to drive the car a few yards in reverse to unwind the transmission, which was never meant for road use when in 4wd mode and had no centre diff. Then, if the customer's car had one end whose tyres were more worn than the pair at the other (inevitable in anything front wheel drive), we'd advise them to swap the tyres front to back as the manual suggested in large, red letters that they should do to prevent transmission wind up like this. At least we only did this once for each site that raised the issue, they wouldn't forget the bollockings or how to do this again and it was that rarest thing; a free fix!

However, later cars like that Legacy (all, afaIk) have a centre diff so that shouldn't be the cause in this case. It is possible that the resonance you feel is engine sourced, usually when the o/s camshaft slips a tooth or two on the belt. They're still safe engines even in 16 valve, single belt form though, so if this is the cause you'll not hurt it by driving to a specialist to have the valve timing checked against their factory waveform guides with an a/f probe and a 'scope.
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#5 Post by Laird_Scooby »

JPB wrote:
Also something i've just remembered from when i had an old "F" reg/1989 Subaru 4WD estate, if i had used the 4WD and not disengaged it properly, it created a strange vibration and humming noise - not quite like the buffeting from windows being open but similar enough to make me wonder.
Animals, all of them! :lol: When I was working for IM in the '80s, the number of workshops who used to ask for one of us to go out to deal with that very thing was massive. To stop it doing that or, in severe cases to allow 4wd to be disengaged, we first had to drive the car a few yards in reverse to unwind the transmission, which was never meant for road use when in 4wd mode and had no centre diff. Then, if the customer's car had one end whose tyres were more worn than the pair at the other (inevitable in anything front wheel drive), we'd advise them to swap the tyres front to back as the manual suggested in large, red letters that they should do to prevent transmission wind up like this. At least we only did this once for each site that raised the issue, they wouldn't forget the bollockings or how to do this again and it was that rarest thing; a free fix!

However, later cars like that Legacy (all, afaIk) have a centre diff so that shouldn't be the cause in this case. It is possible that the resonance you feel is engine sourced, usually when the o/s camshaft slips a tooth or two on the belt. They're still safe engines even in 16 valve, single belt form though, so if this is the cause you'll not hurt it by driving to a specialist to have the valve timing checked against their factory waveform guides with an a/f probe and a 'scope.

I take it this was quite a common fault then? I thought it was because my "F" reg thing was past its "Best Before Date" by some inter-stellar mileage! The 4WD was very tricky to engage/disengage properly first time, every time on mine and figured it had seen better days.
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#6 Post by JPB »

We often used to see the "problem" on split new cars that the customers had only had for a few days! :lol:

In fairness to those particular punters, I think that we've all been guilty at some time or another of buying a car and - impatient to take it for a test flight - done that very thing without reading the instruction manual first. :oops:
On older, higher mileage examples, especially the 1800 Turbo version of the L series which people used to put into 4wd at the slightest sign of dampness on the road because of their fearsome torque steer, the selector could become worn too, so that wear would exacerbate the effects of a wound up transmission.
Great cars though, and more folk need to start loving the older Scoobies asap or there'll very soon be none left. :cry:
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I'll have to check my speed

#7 Post by Diesel Fionn »

Thanks for the above, I'll check all your suggestions. The tyres appear good and there's no steering wheel vibration when I let go so if it is a tyre it's not the fronts. My 4wd is permanently engaged, but there is a High Low selector but I haven't used that yet. I might try engaging that and turning it off again, see if it does anything.
I love the understatedness of the legacy always prefer it to the Impreza. Lovely engine though, if I had the money I'd have a Boxer Diesel Outback. I'll report back on the engine issues if it is one as my dealer is sound and sold me the car anyway. If it was duff he wouldn't sell it to me. Badly needs back shocks though, I'm more concerned about getting those at the moment when funds allow.
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May have a solution

#8 Post by Diesel Fionn »

I changed the back shocks and the thrumming is reduced so I'm going to get all four wheels balanced and see if it cures the problem.
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#9 Post by JPB »

That would tend to suggest that the problem is indeed something to do with the drive to the rear end, the dampers will mask that less effectively if they're not at their best. Propshaft joints are another potential source.
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#10 Post by Laird_Scooby »

Might sound like a daft idea but try swapping the rear wheels with the fronts and see if it alters. Also try disengaging the 4WD as well, just in case that's causing the problem. Might be a slightly worn rear diff or something.
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